Douglas County Residents Abused by Tomorrow"World!"

Photos courtesy of 11 Alive website Atlanta
Photos courtesy of 11 Alive website Atlanta

An Open Letter

Tomorrow"World" Productions

To whom it may concern.

I have called your complaint number 866-605-5762 and filed a complaint with the production this morning concerning the ridiculous levels of noise produced last night by your production.  I am forwarding this open letter as an additional complaint against the Tomorrowworld production and its producers.

My home is 2 miles (line of sight) northwest of the sound stages that were blaring until 1 AM last night. At 12:30 AM, it was as if someone said "if you thought that was ridiculous, stand by and listen to this," after which it appeared that the promoters boosted amplification of the already ridiculous noise levels for their last thirty minute finale.

The operator who took my complaint on the phone this morning was apologetic and repeatedly stated that the production company has a permit to abate and ignore the noise levels being produced. If she said "they have a permit" once, she must have said that nine times during our conversation.  I am familiar with the permits that must have been purchased and issued for something like this, but that does not change the adverse effects this production has had and will have on the quality of life of literally tens of thousands of Georgians and particularly Douglas County resdients.

I am told that the stages were re-oriented away from Douglas county to hopefully address noise levels. If so I can only imagine the noise levels being generated south toward Fairburn, Palmetto and other south Fulton county communities, as the noise levels on our side of the river in Douglas county were ridiculous last night and into the wee hours of this morning the noise continued.  I anticipate the same thing to be repeated tonight and tomorrow night.

News reports this morning, indicate the noise from Tomorrowworld could be heard sixty miles away last night.  Apparently, the permits previously mentioned had little effect in abating the noise being generated and affecting tens of thousands of Georgians.

For the leadership and elected officials of Fulton county and Chattahoochee Hills to issue permits that allow a millionaire and his production company to completely disregard the health and welfare of thousands of area residents is ludicrous.  The issuance of permits does not negate the damage or effects this nuisance of a concert has produced and will produce for the next two days.

Douglas county residents are powerless in the face of this onslaught and it appears the elected officials in Fulton county and Chattahoochee Hills, along with the promoter of Tomorrowworld could care less of the effect on residents of the adjacent areas. 

Apparently, there are no state laws or local ordinances that exist to protect the health and welfare of residents of neighboring counties and obviously the limited ordinances that do exist to protect those in Fulton county have been abated and set aside by special use permits that in essence suspend law and reason when millionaires are putting money on the table and buying special dispensation. 

I sincerely hope the residents and leadership of Fulton county and Chattahoochee Hills are proud of themselves.  I sincerely hope that they make a ton of money.  I also sincerely hope that someone will step forward to file a class action suit against Tomorrowworld, its producers and the property owner for real damages and injury to the health and welfare of thousands of affected residents, property owners and citizens of Douglas County.

Douglas county residents have been told that decibel level monitors were dispatched to the Douglas county side of the river yesterday and last night to monitor noise levels. I hope those records are required to be kept and maintained as they will prove useful if an action of civil redress can be obtained to prevent this travesty that occurred last night from occurring repeatedly for the next ten years.

The rights ofthe  people who live in Douglas county were completely ignored and violated last night and it appears the same will occur tonight and tomorrow night.

Douglas county residents will be waiting to see what is done about this renegade concert and its promoters and we will obviously continue to be forced to listen to the abuse of our senses for another two nights.  Perhaps somewhere in the future in a court of law, someone will be able to speak for the residents of Douglas county and ask the question, "can you hear "us "now?"

Carl Pyrdum

Douglasville Ga.

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Stanley Bridges September 30, 2013 at 10:28 PM
Not sure where you live, but I drove the loop around the venue Saturday night with my windows down. Going up 166 I heard it for the first time at Chapel Hill Rd, then could barely hear it as i headed on up to the bridge at the river. While I could hear it clearly at the river (as at Chapel Hill), once I crossed over and got on Cochran Mill Rd, I could not hear it again. I turned right on Campbellton Redwine/Cedar Grove Rd, and could hear it a little at the main entrance but not much, and could hear it clearly at the bus entrance, but it was not too loud, about like someone playing a loud stereo. I talked to two of our church members who live within a mile of the main gate, and they said they had to focus to hear it through the sound of the crickets and outside noises. They also said even the emergency vehicles (which there were a few) only did the "whup whup" at the intersection of Cedar Grove and Cochran Mill, and rode quiet the rest of the time through the community. They said they were thrilled at how organized it was, and at how little the traffic actually affected their weekend. I used a decibel meter on my phone at the Chapel Hill intersection, and it only barely registered the bass at 47 to 55 decibels. Easy to hear, but in no way loud. Normal conversation is about 60. While I am sure the sound carried quiet a ways, it was in no way window shaking anywhere I went.
Liz Smith October 01, 2013 at 09:58 AM
Dear Douglas County Residents. My friends and I attended TomorrowWorld. You should know some facts about it. 140,000 people attended the festival this year. Of that number, 35,000 guests camped onsite. The event employed local individuals to staff the event. All event staff also camped onsite. My friends and I (8 in total) rented a local vacation rental home. Driving to and from the event, the gas stations were busy at all hours of the day. Campers left daily to go to local stores to buy supplies. How many did I say there were? 35,000 GUESTS. I don't have a number on how many staff were employed. So the event created JOBS for local residents. I am an Atlanta resident. We chose to stay locally to avoid the commute, and to be part of the community atmosphere. Economically, I have a feeling if you discuss the issue with the people who issued the permits, they saw that kind of business as beneficial for Douglas County. So you claim you were inconvenienced for one to three nights of the year while people from around the world had a good time. Honestly, I have not seen or attended anything of that kind since the Olympics. So I hope that your eardrums recover, or whatever other injury you sustained. And for the rest of the year, I hope Douglas Country residents enjoy the money that was spent at local businesses and the income that was produced by jobs for local residents and the public services that kind of economic stimulus will provide toward road maintenance and extra money that those local business owners and staff employed by the event now have in their pockets.
Veruca Salt October 01, 2013 at 03:05 PM
You accuse the county of "disregard the health and welfare of thousands of area residents." Did you take a decibel measurement? Because I'm pretty sure if you did, you would have found that it was well below safe levels....this event was an annoyance for the residents, it was not a health and safety issue. And in this city, what isn't an annoyance? Get over it. And for the record, 1AM is not late....most festivals like this have music until 4 or 5AM or later, so I don't really think you have anything to complain about. In fact, I think the attendees should be suing the residents of the county because the music had to end so early....
Rick D. Day October 01, 2013 at 05:55 PM
I dropped about $400 in food and hotel in Douglasville, Carl. And I live in Midtown. Admit it, you are just old and bitter. You never went to raves. You probably attend church regular and have been taught to look down at such 'sinners'. I went. Friday Sat and Sunday until it was time to go to the Falcons game. I'm not a molly taking raver. I am a businessman who enables tiny little TW's 4 days a week. This week we are participating in a hip hop festival and I guarantee we will have 2000 times more problems with the crowd than we do the rave kids. So I'll swap you, Carl. Your rave for my hip hop event. Deal? @SarahLove hun...you talk about Carl's property taxes and his rights. Let's talk about the property tax generated at the Belgian's venue. And if you do not think that more money means more power, then welcome to the reality of local politics. I strongly encourage Carl and you to run for local office and make this your platform. Let the people decide. Personally, I don't think they should START until 6PM and go until 6AM. Now THAT, my old thirsty friends, is a rave!
Sarah Love October 01, 2013 at 06:19 PM
Aw, Rick - "Hun" - I am sure that if you are a businessman then you were able to read what I actually said, or perhaps you stopped reading after you found one portion you wanted to argue with, and then missed the rest of my post. This gentleman has the right to complain. He does. He also deserves to not have a much of little brats insult him about his opinion, but I digress. I realize that not everyone can empathize and treat people respectfully despite disagreeing with them. However, as an anthropologist, I understand the importance of treating people kindly and respectfully when you are trying to open their minds and have a different perspective. Now, I'm not businessman, but I have made a career studying people, and I am PRETTY sure that method is more effective than insulting the opposition. As far as letting the people decide - I live a mile away from Bouckeart. I'm not bothered by it. 150k people came. They were nice. Nothing bad happened. MY community, not midtown, is having a rezoning/permit meeting to discuss on Oct. 15th. I'll be there. I'll be voicing my opinion, as a local, that the festival was not disruptive to our rural lifestyle. I hope that last paragraph was choppy enough for you to comprehend. Lastly, I hope you have a great time if and when the festival comes back next year, because you'll be welcomed.
Liz Smith October 01, 2013 at 08:44 PM
Sarah and Carl, residents of the community. I have not insulted any of you but I observe that this appearance of concerned citizenship in the form of a rant which appears ignorant does nothing to help fight the stereotypes that people have accused you of. Sarah, by ignorant I only mean nit demonstrating factual knowledge. You do not appear ignorant in your arguments but only in the defense and wonder if people who have responded to his hostile rant in kind. Unknowledgeable of the fact that the Belgian owner if the farm, called above something along the lines of an evil millionaire who imposes his will on the community has hosted an EDM festival at the same time and place every year for the past several years. This is not new when suddenly the community was requested permits. Tomorrowland is an annual festival with a permanent home in Belgium and was so popular this tear tickets sold out in 10 seconds. It makes sense for them, like Disneyworld, to bring something that popular to a second location to allow as much of the world as possible to have the opportunity to experience it. There was a Belgian man in Georgia, clearly familiar with the EDM scene and the Tomorrowland venture already hosting a successful festival. He is not looking to be an evil millionaire "abusing" the community. He us doing what he has done for years, but bringing something MORE successfully rub and noteworthy to your community at a time when his internationally known horse evening course was coming to the end of the season and it didn't matter if 200000 people had a party and messed it up. He brought more money to the community. As stated, parties could have been more disruptive than you claim they were. More importantly, he is your neighbor. As opposed to being an evil nuisance, it seems that he is doing good for the community. Other people call you a bible thumping church goer even though you have not mentioned anything about your faith or religious belief. Also a stereotype. Since this man is your neighbor, you have not spoken very lovingly about him.
Sarah Love October 01, 2013 at 10:15 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't say anything rude about him. I like all the people in my community. I actually don't think the farm owner is the Belgian gentlemen. He's the son of the family that started carpets of Dalton. The Belgian is another gentleman who lives a ways down in the community who holds the permit to use Bouckeart's farm. In any case, the most important thing I think is that it brought money to Chatt Hills. Unlike Douglasville and Atlanta, Chatt Hills has no other form of income, really. Sure there are small businesses like lawn maintenance and tree removal, but we are primarily a communter community because there are very few businesses. Having said that, there is a small general store here by the Smith family that was started in the early 1900s. The current owner is the grandson of the founder, and he's getting to be in his late 60s I guess. Everyone in the community knows and loves him, and he made so much more money than usual. I couldn't be more thrilled about that. Like I said, I'm a traveler. I just hope these people experienced the same excitement and awe that I do when I go to a new place. I don't think anyone is an "evil millionaire". I think that if everyone on both sides could get off their damn high horse, then we could all see the benefits of this. In the end, the pros outweighed the cons.
Hwy 166 October 02, 2013 at 02:08 AM
I have no problem with people enjoying their concert, rave, festival or whatever they choose to call it. That's their business. But don't force it on others and expect them to just like it. I can live with a little inconvenience once in a while. What I do have a problem with is that the people in charge of this production were not good neighbors. Their arrogance and total disregard for local residents by choosing to not notify those of us in direct line-of-fire of their amplifiers is disappointing. A simple letter mailed out to locals ahead of time explaining the event and including a phone number to call with concerns would have prevented a lot of resentment from those of us who live here. Nobody likes to be blindsided in their own home. It's funny how 'Counterpoint' featuring this same type of annoying music held at the same farm across the river last year was hardly noticeable. It was a different production company though. They were better neighbors.
Geovany Torres October 02, 2013 at 12:22 PM
I beg for tolerance from local residents and hope that set time do not change. Local residents please understand that the joy created will be passed on throughout the globe. Tolerate for the overall good. These aren’t bums who came to party, tickets were pricey and the people who came are from unique demographic with money to spend. It is important that they go back to their home countries, states and cities with a good view on Georgia and the Metro Atlanta area. These people will be movers and shakers of the future and you never know what catalyst this could be, it isn't easy to get this type of global and national exposure to our area. I live in Gwinnett county and loved your neck of the woods. It is a beautiful area that deserved to be shared with all those who traveled from near and far. I will definitely make sure to put some money in Douglas county hands next year and hope that local residents who are ok with TW coming back voice there opinions at your local town hall meetings. I was very proud walking around with my head held high showcasing are great region as a resident of Georgia. Met people from all over the country and world. Thank you all
Cameron King October 02, 2013 at 12:50 PM
yall r lucky it wasnt a GOA TRANCE party. we dont turn the music off at 1 am. ;p
Christine Desiree Smith October 02, 2013 at 01:07 PM
Oh Boohoo stop getting your panties in a bunch its one weekend once a year technically 5 nights how can loud music cause injury unless your ears are glued to the speakers yea your ear drums wil definitely explode. Such winey old folks always want to complain about something your life must be so boring.
Shaye Hudson October 02, 2013 at 02:11 PM
I am a 41 year old a resident of Douglas County and attendee of Tomorrowworld who attended with a large group other residents of Douglas County(raning fro m25 to 55). I feel that the event was pretty spectacular to say the least. I'm sorry for those who did not prefer to hear the music(in the Douglasville county area) Must have not been that many people. . We bought ear plugs and stayed at the actual event and got sleep. I am full of gratitude and appreciation like all the other Douglasville County residents that attended this truly global event with countries around the world in attendance! I am thankful to see this event bringing in much business for the community(loved the little mom and pop gas station nearby and other places of business) as well as an amazing event for not only Douglas county but the US and the rest of the world! Thank you, Tommorrowworld!
Rob Dean October 02, 2013 at 02:17 PM
Its an EDM festival. Dont like it? Tough shit. Buy some earmuffs and quit whining, because is going to be at that same spot once a year for three days. You hicks should be glad that people from literally all over the world are coming to YOUR town and to Atlanta to enjoy the music and see what America is like. Welcome them with open arms, because theyre boosting your local economy.
Mike V October 02, 2013 at 02:17 PM
I think some people complain just for the sake of complaining. Maybe they weren't given enough hugs as a child. The fact of the matter is that if you didn't read the information sent to your homes, or attend the town hall meeting or go on the guided tour hosted by the production company before the event even started, then that was your own fault. You missed your chance to ask questions and voice your concerns. If you didn't know any of this was going on, then that's your own stupidity for not paying attention. I think the influx of money into the local economies far outweighs the "inconvenience" and "problems", etc. If you don't think so, then leave town for 4 days.
Conor Nathaniel Anglin October 02, 2013 at 02:25 PM
WOW you really trying to talk about "Health & Welfare" cause of some noise? What kind of damage is caused by 3 days of noise? Y'all need to get used to it this event's annual. And you should probably work on not being so incomprehensibly corny & boring. Buy some ear plugs or something & get a little interesting
Ty Howard October 02, 2013 at 02:29 PM
Why don't we we cancel all sporting events, 4th of July Celebrations and all concerts. Actually why don't we make everyone stay in their homes and only whisper. Carl - since you wrote the open letter I will address this to you. Are you only upset because this is something you don't enjoy. Do you ever watch fireworks for 4th of July?? Because if your answer is yes then what if one or 50 people in the area where fireworks are shot don't like that noise...should we cancel that also??? Or I am sure people who live at the beach don't like vacationers filling their restaurants and crowding their communities every summer. So I am sorry that you don't get to go to bed to 1:00 for 4 nights a year. GET OVER IT. And if you want your life to be completely quite 24 hours a day/365 days a year then move to a private island. Some people complain about everything!!! You need PLUR VIBES!!!
J. Winter October 02, 2013 at 03:06 PM
Sarah, of course Ol' Carl has a right to complain. And he has done so. And we have a right to make fun of his old ratchety ass. And Carl, be careful drinking out of the tap and taking showers- rumor has it, molly drugs seeped into the water table out there.
Molly October 02, 2013 at 03:27 PM
Hey it's me Molly, i heard someone was looking for me
Aalap Patel October 02, 2013 at 05:09 PM
I live directly across the river from where the festival took place, and outside, yes you could hear the music. Was it unbearable? No. Once the doors were shut in the house and the windows closed, there wasn't a sound at all. You need to lighten up and look at all the good it brought into the community. Not only that but I also attended the shows 2 days out of 3 and it was nothing less than an experience like none other! I will be there for the next 5 years as well. Also once I cranked up my lawn mower on Sunday, I could not hear the music at all, yes that means less than a mile away when I was cutting the grass, the lawn mower drowned out the "Ruckus" from the festival. You my friend, Mr.Carl, should find another hobby other than trying to ruin other peoples fun.
Aalap Patel October 02, 2013 at 05:13 PM
oh and one more thing, 60 miles away? thats a tail stretched far far far away from the truth. Why? because I walked to the festival, and when walking, I walked on Hwy 166. I would have to say thats maybe 2-3 miles away from the festival and you could not hear a single tune. So as Zach Galifianakis would say, "you better check yourself before you wreck yourself"
Heywood Ja October 02, 2013 at 08:49 PM
Move. I hope they have the festival every year in Georgia. 3 days of inconvenience for you - - - - maybe the promoters should just fly your complaining, yet rather articulate, ass to a nice secluded spot in Georgia where you don't have to worry about noise pollution (just guys telling you you have a pretty mouth).
Jameson October 02, 2013 at 11:01 PM
Find a nice island without people since you don't know how to deal with them. If you're so involved in the community how could something like this get past you? I find it hard to believe you couldn't find peace and quiet some where. I live off Big A road and all I hear are crickets.
Hwy 166 October 03, 2013 at 01:39 AM
To all the ravers with your nasty insults: Mr. Carl owns property here and he has rights. He was a law enforcement officer with the City of Atlanta. Before popping off your insults did you bother to look at his profile? I imagine he knows a lot more than you do about ordinances, permits, and public safety. He is also a US Marine Corps Vietnam Veteran and deserves the utmost RESPECT AND GRATITUDE FOR HIS SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY. Its sad that EDM fanatics are too wrapped up in their self-entitlement, loud music, drinking and drugs to be capable of respect. I used an aerial map to measure the distance from the event to my property; I am 8 tenths of a mile from the main stage. I never received any notices in the mail and there were no signs posted about meetings beforehand because I would have certainly attended. It's great that this blog continues to receive a lot of postings- it is ranking high in google search and getting a lot of exposure for Mr. Carls letter.
Mike V October 03, 2013 at 09:29 AM
Hwy 166, you didn't attend the festival. You need to STHU with your opinions and insulting comments of they types of people that you think attended. I went all 3 days and I'm certainly going back next year. Out of over 140,000 people that attended (and spent LOTS of money in the local economies) only 5 (FIVE, get it, FIVE) arrests were made according to my information. There were no rapes, burglaries, home invasions, etc like what has happened with other festivals in the past. Why don't you leave town with Carl next year and subsequent years. I think this all boils down to you just don't like EDM and you would have a much different tune if it were somethign else, like country music. Get a life!
Marlena Voudy October 03, 2013 at 11:05 AM
Get over yourself. You forget the revenue this brought in to your county. You sound like an old hag. It was for only one weekend. No I did not go or participate but you are completely out of line with this complaint. Buy some ear plugs lady and put some music on in YOUR house if it so bothers you. Maybe you need some music in your life to enjoy some happiness. I bet your neighbors LOVE you too!
R. Evan Price October 03, 2013 at 02:02 PM
Carl, they are calld earplugs, the latest in technology. Or you could actually come to the festival and see the 140,000 elated, smiling people who just spent millions on this region. A lot of folks were very, very happy for these "greedy" european promotors (now 75% owned by Live Nation, domestic) to bring their thump thump music to town. I myself traveled from Raleigh, NC and had been waiting ten years to see some of these artists in America. Now, the labor issues at the festival were a shame. The only company that mistreated anyone was J & P Productions. They were not so nice to local staff, but TW had more behavior problems with the staff than the patrons so I guess it's a fair trade. Nothing but good things to say about Axis Security and everyone else who was a part of TomorrowWorld. See you next year and TURN UP!
Luke Rogers October 03, 2013 at 04:43 PM
Shut up you twat. It brings money to a county in Georgia that is otherwise worthless. I would know, I live in an even more worthless town than you do in southern Georgia.
Gustavo Morgutia October 03, 2013 at 07:09 PM
Matt Montgomery October 07, 2013 at 12:23 PM
The person that filed this complain is a total idiot. What he doesn't realize is the amount of revenue that a festival of that size can do for this area he lives in. He boosts sales in the area and the city. So what there is some noise until 1am. The people paid for their permit and obviously the town/city is fine with the money it brings in or they wouldn't have issued it to them.
sweet mystery October 21, 2013 at 02:23 PM
It was THREE DAYS out of 365 (less than 1% of your year!!!) for heaven's sake!!! It was as far from the bulk of our housing as humanly possible and I'm trying to figure out how the author's "health and welfare" were compromised. If you don't like the music/volume, go inside shut doors and windows and watch TV or listen to some soothing music. There is no way tomorrowland prevented you from doing just that. We live just across the river from the festival site and heard the music for the entire long weekend. And although we didn't enjoy it, and it did interfere with our relaxing nightly soaks in our hot tub in the otherwise peaceful evenings, we DID enjoy knowing that it brought much needed exposure and revenue to south Douglas County. We also thought how much we might have enjoyed the concert if we were of that generation. You can't complain about young people being in trouble if you won't give them options for entertainment. We drove by a couple of times and stopped and talked to the attendees. We really enjoyed the people we met. STOP whining about an event that brought in MUCH NEEDED revenue and exposure to our blighted part of the world. In case no one has noticed, Douglas County is a mess. Businesses continue to shutdown, taxes keep going up, and the County has a shabby backwardness about it that depresses me. Our family spends the bulk of our disposable income OUTSIDE of Douglas County because there is no where nice to spend it in our own county. That is just ridiculous. It's lovely to invite a global community to our area, take their money, and then show them our butts...nice. So much for southern hospitality, loving our neighbors, etc. This is one bass-ackward county. We understand tomorrowworld will be back next year. As there is a shortage of hotels in our area (and a shortage of hospitality as well) and attendees who didn't camp were looking for places to stay, we're opening our home next year, preferably to an international traveler (kind of like a very brief exchange program). Wouldn't it be just awesome if, instead of whining and complaining about the event and attributing negative qualities to people we don't even know; other folks in Douglas County went on tomorrowworlds blogs next year and decided to show the international/national community some southern hospitality? I bet if we KNEW the people who were attending, and they knew us, it would change everyone's perspective for the better. just a thought...


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